Eps 538: Decoding the ‘know-it-all’ teen – connection, compassion, curiosity

Today joyful courage is making hard decisions that may let some people down to protect my own well being.

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[00:00:00] Casey O'Roarty: [Music] Hey listeners, welcome back to the Joyful Courage podcast, a place for you to hopefully feel seen and heard as we talk about all the things that come with the season of parenting adolescence. Parenting teens is messy, no doubt. And when we remember that our kids are growing through what they're going through, and we are too, things can start to feel okay.
[00:00:26] We can have faith and believe that everything will be okay. I am Casey O'Rourke. I'm your host. I am a positive discipline lead trainer, a parent coach, and the adolescent lead at Sproutable. I have two young adult kids of my own and have been in the trenches just like you. I love supporting families. I work one on one with parents all over the world and run a thriving membership program.
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[00:01:45] [Music] Hey everybody. How's it going? December 26th. 2024, you feeling hungover on holiday cheer, whatever that means for you. I hope you had, if you celebrate Christmas, I hope yesterday was easy and fulfilling. And if you celebrate Hanukkah. I hope that yesterday and today and the days that come are connected and feel full of light.
[00:02:22] I hope everybody's just feeling light. I hope everybody is coming into this recording feeling good and light and connected. And I know that the holidays can be all the things. So yeah, just hi, just hi, just seeing you, right? It's such a weird time these days between the 25th and the first, or I experienced them as weird, not weird, just, I don't know.
[00:02:53] Funny. I don't know. What's your experience of this time? I'm looking forward to New Year's. I'm really excited to be heading to Seattle to see some music with good friends that are traveling into town, Super Soul Sisters and their partners. So looking forward to burning up some dance floor. But before that happens, there's this time between, did you listen to Monday's show with Dr.
[00:03:19] Lori Boudino? I loved that conversation. I re listened to it this morning and was just reminded of all the delight we can take in the brilliance of our kids. And I really appreciated her talking about just all the creative ways. that our kids find to be with whatever is real and alive for them. And yes, some of those ways are not the greatest or not the healthiest, but man, they work, right?
[00:03:50] So if you haven't listened to Monday's show, I really encourage you to do so. It was a good one. I have not been super active in the Facebook group, but there's been a lot happening there. And I'm actually going to pull a Question. a post from the group to reflect on today, but I just want to give gratitude for all the parents in there for the willingness to show up vulnerably and ask questions, whether you show up anonymously or not.
[00:04:18] It's such a gift to everyone when somebody posts because we are on a collective experience and you probably aren't. The only one that is experiencing what you're experiencing. So when you show up into the space and share vulnerably, it gives other people the opportunity of feeling seen, of feeling just like they're not alone.
[00:04:40] And then to all of you that show up in the comments with so much compassion and so much validation and just so much encouragement. You know, I say this all the time, the Joyful Courage for Parents of Teens Facebook group is a really special space on the internet. And I'm just closing out the year here feeling really grateful that it continues to exist as a space of support.
[00:05:08] Yeah. And oh my gosh. We're almost done with 2024 here on the podcast. Spoiler, Julietta is going to be my guest on Monday and we're going to talk about screens. Woohoo! I wanted to talk about like a year wrap up, but I just felt called to have a conversation about screens because we're all in that. And I love her take on things and I knew she'd bring a lot to the table and I'm guessing with the holidays, maybe your kiddo got a new phone or a first phone or a first gaming console or an updated gaming console or some kind of technology that maybe was offered up and now you're like, Oh God.
[00:05:54] How do I manage this? So stay tuned for Monday's conversation. I'm really excited about that. And I'm just so grateful for all of the conversations that have happened this year. I mean, we started the year off here on the podcast. We did a series, Julieta and Alana and I, my and co founders of Sproutable that was a six part series around the art of connected parenting.
[00:06:23] And we really wanted to just land on the language of what we're all about at Sproutable, what we're all about here at Joyful Courage. And to kick off the year with the two of them and recording that we have both audio and YouTube. Just kind of crazy. And yeah, it just felt really good to begin the year with my team.
[00:06:47] There was a ton of solo shows this year that were all, I mean, I was, listen, I was on a call. I've been on a couple of explore calls. I've had. a surge in people who are booking 15 minute calls with me just to kind of scope out my offers and see how what they're going through fits into what I offer. And as I talk about the membership specifically, which as you know, doors are opening January 1st for the membership.
[00:07:14] What I love about the membership is it's a year long. program. And I don't have a plan for the year. I try to be as responsive as I can to what I'm seeing in the community. What are the questions that you're asking? What are the pain points that you're bringing up? What am I seeing both explicitly in what you're writing to me about, but also implicitly around the energy that I'm feeling in the spaces that I hold for parents.
[00:07:48] So as I go through and remember different, especially solo shows that I've done, but it really reflects some of the conversations that I've had with clients or in the community. I'm looking at like. Being with our teens experiences from January, trying to distinguish what's going on with our teens behavior crushes, dating and developing critical thinking.
[00:08:12] I remember this was specific to one of my clients talking about her daughter and her choice and boys and how relationship was unfolding. I did a teens tweens and screens because. Oh my God, screens. I did something around parenting style because I was hearing about and seeing that with some of the clients.
[00:08:34] You know, this other piece, episode 490, endurance, personal growth, and intersecting with our adolescence experience. I really do hold that we have power in shifting how we are experiencing our experience. Like, that's really where our control and our power lies. And as I go through, I'm kind of just scrolling.
[00:08:57] through the different episodes from this year. And I can really see that is a common thread, right? How are we experiencing our experience? What does it look like to have faith when we feel out of control was another one. How does firmness show up for you? That was a repeat. That was a good one this summer.
[00:09:15] Yeah. Trusting our teen's development. Being in flexibility while parenting adolescents. These are just some of the titles from the year. Disrespect and relationship with our teens. And then, as you know, the last couple of months, I've really been sourcing content from the Facebook group and from the posts that show up there.
[00:09:37] And it's been so rich. I've just really enjoyed it. So there will absolutely be more of that in 2025. Woo hoo! As well as guests. So that I feel like have something really powerful to offer to all of you. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for listening. Thank you for showing up. Thank you for sharing the podcast with the people in your life.
[00:10:01] I so appreciate you. And I so appreciate this platform to be able to speak into what I believe is ever more useful ways of being in our life and in our relationship with our kiddos. Right? And, you know, what do you want to create for the new year? What do you want more of? What are the qualities that you want to bring more to life and animate?
[00:10:27] in the coming year. What do you want grace and compassion to look like? Do you feel like that's a place to lean in as you continue to work on growth and development for yourself and your family? Right? I do a lot of listening to audios around law of attraction and trusting that what we want most is what's coming our way.
[00:10:55] And I'm going to do more of that in 2025. I'm going to invite you all in 2025 to really open up and focus in on your teen's essence, their wholeness, the spirit that lives inside of whatever the tough behavior is, right? I had a couple of really powerful coaching calls this week that focus in on how the safety and the security that our inner child longed for can be pinged by our teenager's behavior.
[00:11:32] And then we react from that place of youth and fear. And then we beat ourselves up for how we react. So. Remembering that we've got an inner child that's doing the best they can with the tools they have and to take some time as we come into the new year to really tend to that inner child. And if you haven't ever done this kind of work, I encourage you to explore it because it makes a big difference in how we relate to each other.
[00:12:01] respond, react to the people around us. So thank you to my clients for being willing to go there with me. So yeah, I'm 2024 into 2025. I love the new year. I love it. I'm totally into it. I know the whole New Year's resolution thing is contrived and. whatever, but I like it. I like the energy and the thought of starting fresh and starting new and letting things go.
[00:12:32] And from that place, I want to get into what our question is this week from the community. So this comes directly from the Joyful Courage for Parents of Teens. Facebook group. And here's what the mom wrote in with. In all seriousness, she says, how can you, do you have a relationship of any kind, or any kind of communication with a teenager who constantly thinks they know everything, literally, to everything you say, even when you're not trying to teach them something.
[00:13:02] or give them advice or lecture. Also, is there developmentally some sort of explanation for why I'm seeing a huge uptick in this know it all behavior with my exactly 16 and a half year old son? He's always been a fiercely independent, strong willed, feisty kind of guy, but the quote, I know ness lately is literally making me want to bang my head against the wall.
[00:13:25] It's too It's to everything, all the time, even completely innocent conversations. I feel like he has a lot of opportunity to exercise growing and autonomy. He just started his first job. We stay out of his academic life for the most part because he's a good student. And I try my best to think about how I phrase things.
[00:13:44] So there's a lot of, what would you like to do about that? And hey, it's your choice kind of talk, but oh my God, I literally feel like we can't communicate at all anymore because everything is. received with, I know, or some other form of that response. For instance, I was just making innocent conversation about a fast food place in the car just now.
[00:14:07] And even that just can't be cool. The responses are always about proving me wrong, saying, I know, or countering whatever I say. I have had conversations about this with him before. They don't go anywhere. I also know that it's developmentally normal, but it's really at a high level lately. Is this some sort of defense mechanism against the reality of impending leaving the nest in a couple of years?
[00:14:34] And the vulnerability of knowing that he doesn't really know. LOL. It's just literally completely unpleasant trying to talk to him lately. There's no common ground anymore without this dynamic at play. And I am going crazy. First of all, thank you. Thank you, Mama. Thanks for coming in and sharing your experience and giving us all the deets.
[00:14:58] It matters. You matter. Thank you for this. Thank you for giving me something to play around with and tease apart. So as I like to start with, we're going to think about what is the possible reframe? What's the problem being solved? On one hand, I want to know what's going on under the surface for this kiddo.
[00:15:17] Parent doesn't share explicitly about how this behavior is making her feel, other than she does say she's going crazy at the end. And she says that things feel unpleasant lately. But I'm really curious about, in the moment, You know, how does the behavior make you feel? Because we talk about belief behind the behavior here.
[00:15:39] Mistaken goals. I did a whole series around mistaken goals a couple years ago. And it matters how things make us feel because when the behavior is annoying or irritating, we could make a guess that this kiddo is just trying to be seen. Right? See me. Notice me. Involve me. If it's like, ugh, this is so annoying.
[00:15:58] That's not what it feels like from this post. If she's feeling challenged or threatened, if those hackles go up, then there could be some power dynamic happening here. A kiddo that feels like he has no power, so he takes it where he can get it. Maybe that's what we're looking at. Or does it feel like a punch to the gut?
[00:16:17] Does it feel hurtful? Does it leave you feeling in disbelief, right? It's really like, ugh. In that case, if that's how it's making you feel, we can guess that something's going on with your kiddo that's leaving him feeling hurt and he just has to pass it on. So, we get to go a little bit deeper and pay a little bit more attention to how the behavior makes us feel.
[00:16:42] And these feelings are clues kiddo. To what might be happening under the surface. And like I said, search iceberg or mistaken goals or belief behind behavior on my website, besproutable. com slash teens. And you'll get to more episodes that talk more about belief behind the behavior. But something's going on with him, right?
[00:17:03] It's not just him being a dick. It's there's more going on under the surface. What's going on under the surface relationally? Right? What is the teen's experience of his parents? How does the boy feel like he's being perceived? What are the messages he's receiving and making meaning around? How's he feeling in his friend group or at work at school?
[00:17:25] You said that he just started a new job, but he's doing pretty good at school. What's his overall sense of belonging? And you don't, you know, I ask, I'm asking these questions, not because you need to find out all the answers to it. But I think when we remember. that there's stuff going on under the surface that we don't see, and that the behavior is often a solution to a problem we may or may not know about, we can generate a little bit more compassion and curiosity.
[00:17:55] And things are always going to go better when we meet them with compassion and curiosity, for sure. And, you know, shout out to this mom. She did share or ask really, is this some sort of defense mechanism against the reality of impending leaving the nest in a couple of years and the vulnerability of knowing that he doesn't really know all the things?
[00:18:20] This is a very thoughtful question. I love this question. And that is, you're already headed in the direction of What's going on under the surface just in asking this question, because my guess is probably there's a layer of that they don't know that they're struggling with this upcoming transition, but it exists inside of their experience, right?
[00:18:46] So if the question, if the answer is yes, this is a defense mechanism against the discomfort of the change and the unknowing and the uncertainty that exists. in his future, how would that shift the way that you interact with him? If you knew for sure, you know, that there's something going on in the, under the surface that is prompting manifesting this behavior, how would you show up differently?
[00:19:20] And the initial question, how can you, do you have a relationship or any kind of communication with a teenager who constantly thinks they know everything, literally to everything you say, even when you're not trying to teach them something, give advice or lecture? What if we, instead of asking that question, what if we hold the question of how can I be with my child and who they are today in a way that encourages more connection?
[00:19:48] How can I take this stage? less personally. Right? So that's kind of, that's where I'm gonna, that's the thread I'm gonna pull. That's the question that I'm gonna hold for all of us today. Parenting's tools and strategies that might be useful. Well, we already started that, right? Exploring the belief behind the behavior.
[00:20:08] And even before we explore it, really recognizing that There is beliefs behind behavior. There is an experience happening under the surface. There are mistaken interpretations that he's making of perhaps family, how he fits, how he's fitting in at school, what's in the future, absolutely. Exploring the beliefs behind the behavior and we can do that with them too.
[00:20:37] Mom could say, Well, actually, hold up. Mom did say what she said was, I've had conversations about this with him before and they didn't go anywhere, right? So, I'm gonna lean in here. I'm wondering about these conversations, and I'm wondering the tone and the tenor of these conversations, and I'm wondering what was centered during these conversations.
[00:21:00] And I'm gonna offer up some tools that maybe mom can use and all you listeners can use. Maybe you already have used them or maybe you're going to hear them in a different way. So I want to highlight this for everyone. So remembering when we have conversations with our kids, with our teens about their behavior, we want to connect before we correct.
[00:21:22] Right? Don't start out with what's bugging you. Instead, find something you can connect with your child around. Hey, you're getting older. It's awesome that you're such a self starter with school and that we don't have to be on your back. You know, we're, we're stoked for you that you have a job. Having a job at your age shows so much responsibility.
[00:21:40] How's that going? Whatever feels real and authentic to you, right? You could even, like this mom shared in the post, something I love about you is that you have always been a fiercely independent, strong willed, feisty kind of guy. Right? I see that in you at school and at work and here and there and the other place, highlighting what you see as his strengths, right?
[00:22:04] And then you get to kind of lean into wanting to have a conversation about something that's been hard for you to talk about. something that you've brought up before, but you want to talk about it in a new and different way. And that's when curiosity shows up. It feels like you're super annoyed at me all the time or, Hey, you know, maybe it's not about me.
[00:22:24] And there are things that are going on that you're struggling with that make interacting with me really hard. I'm here to listen. Tell me about that. Or, you know, talk to me about your experience of me and how I'm showing up in your life. So we got to connect first, we got to soften them into some opening, some willingness before we then invite them to do some sharing.
[00:22:49] And then once they do do some sharing, we get to validate that what they're experiencing is true for them. What I'm hearing you say is, you feel, you wish, right? I believe you. That must be really hard to feel that way. It makes sense that you act the way you act considering you feel the way you feel or whatever.
[00:23:09] feels right in that conversation, right? We get to use emotional honesty. And, actually, I looked up emotional honesty because I thought I knew what emotional honesty is and I do. And, when I looked it up i. e. Googled it. Google says that emotional honesty is the practice of being authentic and open about your feelings and emotions.
[00:23:31] It also involves listening to others feelings without judgment, criticism, or defense. And here's what I know about parents. I know it for myself. And I absolutely witness it with parents that I work with. It's hard to feel vulnerable, to be vulnerable and exposed with our teens. And we have grown to the age we've grown to with a certain level of protecting ourselves and keeping ourselves safe, keeping our hearts safe.
[00:24:05] And I think that is why when we find ourselves with teenagers who are tough, like this one, who are disrespectful, who are making risky choices. We do a lot of blaming, right? We really do a lot of centering their behavior. If they would just act this way, I could feel better, right? Blaming the other person for being the problem.
[00:24:33] And emotional honesty starts with recognizing inside of ourselves, what am I holding back? How have I been contributing to this dynamic? Where are my walls? Where am I getting defensive? And can I break that down a little bit and really receive the feedback that I'm getting? Can I recognize where I'm contributing to the dynamic?
[00:24:59] Right? It doesn't mean you're to, this is not blame. This is a whole different conversation. This is a conversation around relating to each other and really being open to learning and growing.
[00:25:19] So emotional honesty is so much more than just, I'm going to tell you how I feel. It's really about cracking open and being authentic and being vulnerable and taking in the other person's feedback while also being willing to say what's on your heart. so much. Right? Saying what's on your heart. And as you listen to your kiddos experience of you, of their life, right?
[00:25:49] You get to stay open. You get to stay curious. Your job is not to fix it or tell them that they're wrong or try to find the silver lining, which I, that's where I tend to go. That's not what they need. They need to be witnessed and experienced and listened. And. accepted, right? That's part of emotional honesty, sharing from your heart, holding a space where they can share from their heart, right?
[00:26:19] And it requires some courage to put down our walls and connect with our kiddo about how we're feeling and what we want. And you get to also decide like, what do you want? for this parent, like, what do you want more of in this relationship with your son? Right? If developmentally, teenagers know everything, or they think they know everything, and they move through the world like they know everything, probably as a defense mechanism.
[00:26:43] Absolutely. But it is a thing, as you saw in the comments in the group on this post, so many people. Oh, yeah. Me too. My kid too. It, he will move through it. You will move through it. The beauty of moving through it is if you, mama, and if you're listening and you're a dad or an auntie or some kind of caregiver and are relating to this, the, the important thing is how you respond right now really influences.
[00:27:14] the relationship that you're going to have with this kiddo when they get to the other side of this developmental stage, right? If you meet their assholery with your own assholery, if you mirror them, it could create some significant damage in the relationship. And when they do move on and get a little bit more maturity and humility, You know, there might be some wounds there that they, and it might be that they don't want to be in relationship with you.
[00:27:41] So it matters. It matters. And I love that you mom have shown up in the Facebook group and posted about this because that tells me straight off the bat, it matters to you. Your relationship matters to you. And so as you listen to this, make sure you're listening with a really open heart, right? Some other tools.
[00:28:00] Okay. With this question of, you know, with having conversations with our kiddos about their behavior and moving through is reflective listening is so important, you know, checking in on what you're hearing and how you're interpreting what you're hearing. Also lightness and humor. Oh my gosh. Lightness and humor can get you so far with your teens.
[00:28:24] I'm telling you lightness and humor is everything. And it's not about dismissing or making light of what's going on, but we can laugh at ourselves. We can, you know, laugh at the situation. We can just stay a little bit more buoyant, right? It matters. What is the growth opportunity here in this kind of challenge?
[00:28:50] What's the personal growth work that we're being invited into with a kiddo like this? What do we need to let go of practical tips for staying grounded and regulated while grounded and regulated? I mean, that's the answer to all of our life's problems, right? And oof, I was just talking about emotional honesty and vulnerability.
[00:29:11] Are we willing, right? The personal growth work is like checking our willingness. Are we willing to be vulnerable? Are we willing to be to expose our heart to our teens? And if we're not, I'm curious about that. Do a little digging there. What makes it feel unsafe? What is the healing that we need to be doing now so that we can be open and authentic and vulnerable with our kids?
[00:29:38] Right? Noticing when our need for safety might be getting in the way of. relationship. And this might not be your jam. You might be like, Oh God, I don't do that kind of work. You get to decide, but I'll tell you what, doing this personal work, it's growing your emotional intelligence, growing your self awareness.
[00:30:01] It changes your life. So you might not be that kind of person, but do it anyway. That's what I would say to my husband when he says, I don't like to talk about emotional things. I'm like, well, you don't have to like it, but you still have to do it. Cause our emotional experience is a part of our whole experience.
[00:30:20] We can't just ignore it, right? We get to do this personal work. Also. And this kind of goes back to the blame piece, but like check your tone because sometimes when we're having conversations with our kids or we think we're inviting them in, but it can sound like, Hey, I'm really not okay with the way that you talk to me.
[00:30:44] Can you hear my voice? Can you hear that? The, the blame and kind of the attack in the tone. So checking our tone, checking what we're bringing to the dynamic. letting go of taking his behavior personally. It's not about you. He's in an age and a stage. So what do you need to do for yourself? to support you.
[00:31:07] I was thinking about last week's solo show. I did a bunch of comp, you know, I talked a lot about self care and when we're taking care of ourself, when we're filling our, our cup, right? A full cup means that when the bullshit shows up, there's no space for it. So it can just flow off. Like I'm literally imagining a full cup, right?
[00:31:32] When a cup is full and you try to add more to it, there's no room. So it just, falls out of it. So fill your cup, do things that matter to you, that fill you up, that make you feel good. And, and just that ability. And I'm smiling like, okay, so there's also a lightness piece here. There's a compassion piece here.
[00:31:54] Here comes the bullshit. Ah, buddy. I mean, they think they know everything. God bless them. Right? God bless them. All right. You know everything. I love one of the moms in the Facebook group, Lauren, who I worked with years ago. Shout out to Lauren. I just got your holiday card. It's very cute. And she talks about how her 15 year old knows it all.
[00:32:17] And so when one of her younger kids asks her a question that she doesn't know the answer to, she says, you know what? You should go ask your brother. Because he knows everything. And she makes sure to mention that she does it, you know, with a wink wink in a light way and that it's really helpful. So finding that lightness, taking care of yourself, doing your own self regulation, noticing when you're getting worked up, tending to that, right?
[00:32:41] You've got this. We've all got this. And we're in a snapshot. Things can change. When we show up differently, things do change. We make an impact. We influence the dynamic of the whole system when we'd start to do something differently. Even as you aren't in control of your teenager, you do have control over how you are experiencing your experience.
[00:33:06] And that's what we like to talk about here on the pod and So yeah, this is a developmental stage. It is incredibly hard to be with. You do get to do the work of taking care of yourself so that you can be with it or keep doing what you're doing and keep feeling how you're feeling. It's hard. I know. Last night we went out to dinner, the four of us.
[00:33:32] So Ian's home for, from college and Rowan requested another dinner together, which was so sweet. And we went out and I don't know what was going on with Ian, but he was clearly in a mood. He wasn't really having it. He got defensive when we were asking him, you know, what was going on. He's like, I'm fine.
[00:33:49] I'm fine. Right. They say that and you're like, really? Cause Look at how you're acting. You're not acting fine. What's going on? And I offered up, we talked later and I was like, what's the deal, dude? He's like, well, you know, we're almost just, we're almost just bugging me. Like she just kept bugging me. She just took it over the top.
[00:34:08] And I was like, can I offer something? Because you and your sister, you have this funny dynamic where you bug each other. And it's usually not annoying to you, but I noticed tonight you seem to have less of a tolerance for it. And that's the language I used. I said, you seem to have less, you were thus tolerant of it.
[00:34:28] And he was like, Exactly. And that really seemed to land. So sometimes we get to pull a curtain back and bring in a bit more perspective to their experience. And if they're not being made to feel wrong about what they're doing, then they're going to be more open to considering what we're saying and maybe even integrating some of what we're saying into their life.
[00:34:52] So having those conversations with our kiddos around. The know it all ness. Can we talk about it in a way that doesn't make them wrong? Because they're not wrong. They're simply in that stage of brain development. Yeah, good stuff. All that to say, you're not alone, Mama. Shout out to all the parents again that showed up in the comments and the Facebook group that supported this gal.
[00:35:15] We are all doing the work and there is support. If you're not already in the Joyful Courage for Parents of Teens Facebook group, get in there. It's free. It's available. If you're looking for extra support navigating this type of behavior or something else with your teen, I'm your girl. Go to besproutable.
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[00:35:58] So it's a small thing you can do to support me and others who are slogging through the teen years. Next time I see you will be 2025. I hope that you have a joyful, easy connected celebration, letting go of 2024. All the love. I will see you next week. Bye.
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