Eps 280: Reparenting Ourselves with Leslie Priscilla

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Casey O'Roarty 0:00
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Hey, listeners today. My guest is Leslie Priscilla. Leslie is a first generation non black Chicana, mother to three biracial children, ages eight, three and two. She is a descendant of indigenous Tarahumara, rara muri. I did my best on that pronunciation and Spanish lineages. Who resides in occupied tonba and hashiman land, also known as Orange County, California, all of her life, she's a fellow SoCal girl. Leslie shares her medicine by offering coaching, workshop, support and advocacy for Latinx Chica next families, locally, nationally and internationally, both in person and online via the Latinx parenting organization, she founded this bilingual organization and movement intentionally rooted in children's rights, social and racial justice, the individual and the collective practice of non violence and reparenting, intergenerational and ancestral healing, cultural sustenance and The active decolonization of oppressive practices in our families, formerly an early childhood teacher and a one on one behavior coach, Leslie has worked with children and families for over 13 years. She has a dual degree in child development and family studies as well as Family Life Education from Cal State University Long Beach and attended the master's in social work program at Cal State Fullerton, before pausing to focus on her babies and the Latinx parenting movement. Leslie is trained as a facilitator in various parent education curricula, including trauma informed, non violent parenting, positive discipline, supporting fatherhood, involvement, community, parent education and others. She has facilitated groups in both Spanish and English for hundreds of parents in schools, transitional homes, teen shelters, drug rehabilitation centers and family resource centers throughout Orange County, California. Over the years, Leslie has long worked within mental health agencies in position serving as interim director of parent education for the Child Abuse Prevention Center in Orange County Youth and professional program managers, manager for NAMI Orange County, and as a consultant for the dads matter program of Children's Bureau. Oh my gosh. I am so thrilled to be sharing her with all of you. Leslie, I've been waiting to say this. Welcome to the podcast.

Leslie Priscilla 3:46
I'm so happy. Thank you.

Casey O'Roarty 3:49
Oh my gosh. And I just have to tell you when I got your bio, and I mean, I already knew you were amazing, but getting your bio and really learning all the different ways that you have worked to support families and in your community, I'm just, I'm so inspired and in awe of everything that you've already done, and it's just such a privilege to get to talk to you.

Leslie Priscilla 4:15
Thank you so much, and yes, it's it's been a privilege for me to work in my community and to be able to support parents is like the ultimate as you know,

Casey O'Roarty 4:23
yeah, for sure. And I just want to give all of you listeners some background. I first met Leslie at the diversity and parenting conference in 2019 and I sat in on her talk, dejando la. Chunkla. Chunkla, I said that right, yes, okay, reframing Latinx family traditions towards the preservation of culture and resilience for BI cultural children. It was a powerful talk. I didn't know anything about la chancla culture, about la chancla as a parenting tool. Will you share a little bit more about this tradition?

Leslie Priscilla 4:59
Yeah? Yes, and I will say that that was about an hour long presentation at that conference, and I've since expanded it into an eight hour professional training, which is wild to me. But, you know, I really want to highlight the strengths and Latinx culture and Latinx families. There's a lot of stereotypes of Latinx families using very oppressive strategies, and some of them are rooted in truth. And so one of those stereotypes is that all Latina mothers use la chancla, which is, you know, the translation in English would be the sandal or the flip flop to discipline their children. So, you know, your child acts up, they're quote, unquote disrespectful to you, and you fling this sandal at their head, right? And so that is really normalized in a lot of Latinx media. It's something that brings us together. We have this, like shared understanding of la chancla and growing up in these families. And so as I started learning more a few years ago, around just, you know, Latinx parents and their trends and parenting, I came to realize that this is something that was rooted in having been colonized, Latin American people having been colonized. And so that's what the presentation was about, if you'll remember, you know, we talked a lot about how it doesn't serve us, you know, it doesn't serve us to continue these practices, although a lot of people will really hold on to that and say, but this is just our culture. And so my, part of my mission is to really dispel that myth that this is actually not our culture. This is something that was brought upon us and inflicted upon us as a people, as a result of colonization. So that's kind of, you know, the gist of what that presentation was, yeah,

Casey O'Roarty 6:41
can you speak more into that, into how colonization brought that tradition? Because I'm I am guessing Leslie that my listeners are not educated in all of this. So will you help them? Yes, absolutely, I

Leslie Priscilla 6:58
will. I will. So help them. You know, I'm really influenced by the work of Stacey Patton, who you might be familiar with. And Stacey Patton wrote this really beautiful book called spare the kids, which is very similar to the book that I'm writing around ending chunk culture, but her focus is on black children and black families. And so what I've learned is that, you know, pre colonization, the majority of native and indigenous tribes practice. And the reason I know this is because a lot of these indigenous tribes are still very much here, still passing down these family traditions. They were very collaborative. They were very attuned to their children. They saw children as whole spirits, to be honored, to be celebrated. They involve them. They you know, they, they lived in harmony with their children. It was very harmonious. And there are some exceptions, obviously, but for the most part, we see indigenous people still living in harmony with nature, in harmony with their children. And so this is not anything new, right? This is something that I'm hoping that we can reclaim when it comes to gentle parenting. And so when European colonizers came to the Americas, whether it was in the United States or, you know, in my ancestry is Mexico, right? And so when the Spanish conquistadors came here, they created things like the case system. They created these very power over dynamics upon the indigenous peoples and then upon enslaved peoples also that were brought here from Africa. And so we adopted those as a means of surviving. We adopted those oppressive strategies. We let them seep into we didn't let them. We didn't like allow it, but like, in order to survive, we had to adopt some of those same behaviors, and so I needed to keep my child in line in any and every way that I could, so that this colonizer over here didn't murder them in front of me, right, didn't kill them. And so for black people, it's very similar, obviously, you know, we're different cultures, but we really relate on that piece around how we had to adapt by utilizing these oppressive strategies that we learned from Europeans that came here. And so if you look at the history of childhood in Europe, you know that it was centuries and centuries of dismal treatment of children. And so you know, I'm really influenced by people like Robin grill, who wrote parenting for a peaceful world, and talks about childhood in Europe. And so all of those practices were brought here. And now, you know, we see indigenous peoples adopting them, and now we have, you know, this whole idea of chancla culture being our culture. And I'm like, no, it's actually something that was imposed

Casey O'Roarty 9:40
well. And I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking also about just how unsafe the world is right now for especially here in the United States, for black and brown people. And it just breaks my heart that there's a different level of No, you need to show up a certain way to stay alive. Five,

Leslie Priscilla 10:00
yeah. I mean, that's the conversation, right? And so I think what, what gets lost along the way is, what does that actually do to a child's brain, you know, does that actually get black and brown children to the point of liberation, to the point of empathy, to the point of speaking up, right? So, a lot of times, and this is a quote from Dr Stacy Patton, she says a lot of times, parents are children's first oppressors and and when we see things that way, then we can, you know, contextualize parenting in a way that that hopefully will liberate them, right? So the way that they practice speaking up first is in our home so that they practice saying no to authority is first in our homes, and if we do not allow for that sometimes, then they will not be able to practice that right. And so by the time the world is telling them, You don't matter, your life doesn't matter. You are small, you are unworthy. We believe that right as adults, because that's what we've been told our whole lives by our parents. And so it's not to blame or shame our parents, it's just that they also fell into that again in order to survive. That's what that's what we have been told.

Casey O'Roarty 11:13
Yeah, well, and I'm thinking about how many people are making serious money supporting adults in recognizing their own worthiness and their enoughness and, you know, all the things that were carrying on.

I know that from my work with parents, there's often less and less but, you know, there will sometimes be people who reflect on that authoritarian style, that kind of top down violence, or at least oppressive style, however it looks being inflicted on them, and will respond kind of with like, listen, I that's what I dealt with. That's how they kept me in line, and I turned out, okay, how does this show up with the parents that you're serving? So

Leslie Priscilla 12:05
we get that a lot right, like changka culture is what made me who I am today. Like, if I hadn't had that sandal thrown at my head, that I wouldn't be who I am. And I agree with that. You know, I don't think that you would be advocating for violence against children if that had been right, if that had been the case. So, you know, I always think about how if the idea of disciplining children because you don't like their behaviors by using harsh strategies, whether it be la chancla or shaming or, you know, some of these other tactics that are not very gentle, if those were applied to our partners. You know, if something my husband said or did was not something I wanted him to do, could I throw a sandal at his head? Like, could I, could I put him in timeout, right? Like, could I him and tell him, like, what the heck is wrong with you? Like, you know, act like an adult, like, be better, right? And so I feel like when we see these, this normalization of jungle culture, of just like oppressive strategies in homes, perpetuated in media or even social media, that's the question I ask. What if this was a man treating his wife that way, you know what? If this was a partner treating their partner this way? And so that's kind of where the conversation stops, right? Because people will say, well, that's that's adults treating adults right, like it's different. And so it comes down to us not seeing children as whole beings to be honored, only valuing adults right, like this adult supremacy idea where, like, adults have the right to be respected, but children don't right, because I want my children to grow up in this very specific way, then that means that I have to just disrespect them. I have to teach them respect by disrespecting them. And it doesn't make any sense. You know when, when people are open to those conversations? I think it's very productive, but there are people that are not ready to have that conversation, that really believe that they did turn out okay. And so my mission is not to change their minds. My mission is to hope that one day they will change their heart, to remember that child within themselves that really did not deserve that.

Casey O'Roarty 14:20
Yeah, man, our conditioning just makes such an intense impact on how we show up as parents, especially in those stressed and overwhelmed moments. I know I was just talking about this with somebody else, like there were definitely some practices that I decided long ago that will not be i i will not create that with my kids. And then I'm stressed and overwhelmed, and I slide right in to that conditioning. And it's, I mean, it happens way less now than when my kids were little. I've been, you know, actively, mindfully practicing something different for a long time, but just the. Other night, I had a situation with my 18 year old daughter come up, and my I felt a sense of hurt, and I slid right into this passive aggressive, gross response to her, and she, God bless her. She is my teacher, and is, you know, has grown me since the beginning, she was like, why are you acting like this? And I'm thinking to myself, Man, if I would have asked that question at her age, in that situation, to my mom, it would not have worked out very well for me. But I was so grateful for her to kind of, she kind of shook me out of it, and I realized, oh gosh, wow, yes. Sorry, wow.

Leslie Priscilla 15:41
It's really funny, because she, I mean, like, my daughter is nine, and she stumps me in that way all the time. The other day, I heard her talking to her sister in a really, you know, one of those ways, don't talk to your sister that way, you know. And my tone got very protective of my younger daughter, and I was like, Do not talk to her that way. And she's like, do not talk to me that way. And I was like, oh, right, right, trying to get her to change her behavior towards her sister by doing the exact same thing she's doing to her sister, but to her. And so I had to take a breath and kind of, like, take a step back, like, walk it back a little bit, and like, get really intentional again. But lack of sleep, lack of nutrition, you know, added stress from from work or whatever, like those things are very much what come into play in those moments. And I think when we have very prescriptive ways of handling parenting, as opposed to just being something that we shift in ourselves and that we try to embody as much as we can, because obviously she learned that from me. Yeah, you know, she learned that way of being from me. And so I have to humble myself to the point where I can recognize that. And so that, fortunately, is because of many years of therapy where I can take ownership of my behaviors as a parent or just as a human and come back and make that reparation. But a lot of us are not at that point yet, right? So, if she were to talk back to me that way, or if I were to talk back to my mom that way as a child, that would not have been received, you know, that would have I would have gotten hit, or I would have gotten punished in other ways. I would have told that I was I would have been told that I was disrespectful, or, you know, just made to feel terrible about myself, right? And so it's a lot to balance parenting in these new ways, right? And but again, I really draw a lot of strength from knowing that my ancestors, you know, had these values a long time ago. And so drawing from that, and then also knowing that I'm parenting for the long term, I'm not parenting, yes, ships right now. I'm parenting for her children, you know, and their children, yeah,

Casey O'Roarty 17:49
I just had this conversation with same daughter, I only have one, and there was something happening. And I said, Gosh, you know, I can't wait for you to have a teen daughter and see how the dynamic works out. And she's like, it's going to be fine. Mom. And I sat with that and I thought, You know what? It is going to be a lot finer for her. Because, you know, as imperfect as I am, I'm super aware of what I'm creating in my relationship with my child, and because of that, I'm not passing on all the baggage. I'm sure I'm passing on something not gonna act like I've completely mastered all of this, but the baggage, you know, the bag that she's gonna be holding from how she was parenting parent head hopefully will be a lot lighter and a lot smaller. And I realized, like, gosh, yeah, and just talking about respect and humbling ourselves, you know, I realize like, that is such a big ask for people. I mean, I just, I love it. I love being vulnerable. I love having these meaningful, open, honest, raw conversations. And I forget that it's really terrifying for some people to consider that, you know, to shift from, I can't let my kid get away with treating me like this, into, Hmm, let me see what I can discover about myself. And how can I look at this from a broader perspective? And what does my child actually need right now? Versus, you know, I, I consider it like parenting from the hip versus Parenting from the heart, right? Yes,

Leslie Priscilla 19:28
yeah, absolutely. And attuning, right? And, like, constantly attuning to your own, your own inner child's needs, too. And like, oh my gosh, why am I acting in these in these patterns and these patterned ways of being, and usually it's connected to something that we are still processing, which is, you know, the hardest

Casey O'Roarty 19:47
part, and you've already said, you know, that it's not about blaming our parents, it's, you know, and I love that you have that anchoring into, you know, how your ancestors actually were. Are in relationship with their children. And I read an interview that you did, and you talked about just how respect is so deep, such a deeply held value in Latinx families. How do you walk the line of challenging this, like, embedded thing inside of the culture? And, you know, quote, respecting your elders? Yeah,

Leslie Priscilla 20:22
I think part of it is, and I talk about decolonization a lot, and part of what I mean by decolonization is to not look at things as binaries, right, and to hold dualities within concepts. And so when it comes to respecting our elders, when it comes to living as much as we can in harmony with our parents, part of that is to understand what their circumstance what their circumstances were, what their life paths, you know, created, the conditions that their life paths created in order to get to the point that they were parenting you and so I hold a lot of compassion, and that value of respect is a very healthy value. And for me, it's not about the value itself. It's about the method, you know, and whether the method is effective, whether the method is actually going to teach respect, or is it going to teach fear, which is going to create disconnection, which is actually not what our parents want, right? Our parents did not want us to grow up and be disconnected from them, and so I hold the the the duality of our parents did the best they can with what they had, with the tools, with the resources, with the information, with the community that they had, and it still hurt us. And so separating those two, but accepting them equally, right, like those, those things just exist. I think we get really caught up in if I acknowledge that my parents harmed me, it need, it negates, it will negate everything that they ever did for me, which can be a very heavy, burdensome, guilty feeling for us. And a lot of the work is just to kind of dispel that guilt a little bit, you know, and kind of peel it away as gently as as we can, and to hold those dualities versus look at it as a binary, I think, has been really helpful for people and looking at it through that lens of decolonization, right? Another thing that I talk about is that we lived in much more expansive ways where it wasn't, you know, boys were this and girls were this. You know, men and women had to just, you know, be with each other, etc. So there's, there's other layers to it as well. But I think as much as we can move away from binary and move towards holding dualities and both, and it really kind of helps us as parents to say, Yeah, I messed up today, you know, and I'm still a good parent. I'm doing the best I can, and I hurt my child's feelings, right? So I think that that's kind of how I have been able to move through at least my own challenges with parenting. So

Casey O'Roarty 23:03
what are some other pieces that come from culture, as far as like gender, and I'm fascinated by the gender conversation too,

Leslie Priscilla 23:12
definitely, and we're actually gonna, at the time of this recording, we have this very specific workshop coming up around raising a liberated ehas, which means daughters in Spanish and and so part of the reason that we're holding that is because so many of us girls, and I don't think that it's just Latinx culture. I think that this exists in most cultures, if not all cultures. But we were told that in Spanish, there's a saying that goes calladita tes bonita, which means when you are quiet or you look prettier. And so that tells you a lot, you know, that tells you a lot about what what was expected of us. We were expected to be submissive. And this is all tied into the concept of marianismo, which is very much around self sacrificing. And you know the Maria paradox, where you have to be, where you have to be like the Virgin Mary and be humble and meek and all of these things. And so I think a lot of us in my generation are understanding that, thankfully, the internet is something that we have access to now, so we can see the trajectory, and we can also now see how that has harmed us, how that has prevented us from using our voice, how that has prevented us from having deep, nurturing relationships with our mothers now and so, you know, the way that girls are raised, it's not just supportive of patriarchy, but it's really supportive of oppression in general, you know? And I think it's not just men that contribute to it. It's also oftentimes women that will uphold patriarchy right in the home and say, you know, you must respect your father like, even if your father is abusive, like he's your father, and you have to respect your father. And so, you know, I think it's really interesting that a lot of us are kind of waking up. Up to this idea that we do have a voice, that we can have a say, that we don't necessarily need to stay quiet, stay quiet to look pretty or whatever. We don't even have to look pretty, right, whatever that means, right? And so, yeah, I mean, it's again, like it's very much something that we see in Latinx culture and in other cultures is this, is this patriarchal

Casey O'Roarty 25:26
value? Well? And I just love, you know, as we focus on our, our E has that our, our E hosts also get to see liberated women, yes, right? And you know, I mean, the gender thing is, it's it is. It's pretty wild. How ingrained and embedded in our who we are, it can show up, or at least for me, I notice it all the time, how I treat one versus the other, and again, awareness and cleaning it up, and doing what I need to do, to highlight and bring um, just a deeper, a bigger lens to it. And I do it all very externally, so that it's not just my own internal like, Oh, damn, I just did that one thing again. It's very much like, oh, wow, guess what I just did. You guys, yeah, very much out in the open, which I think is really powerful.

I love following you on Instagram. I love your page. Everyone who's listening, you need to head over and follow Leslie at Latinx. Parenting, your posts are always so thought provoking for me, and much more often than not, provide me with a lens that I haven't ever looked through or considered or been invited to look through. And you're just like you're doing such important work in educating so many people. And I'm just really grateful for you, and I'm grateful that you you know you aren't quiet, you know that you've really pushed back against that cultural norm and said, No, I'm going to speak up. And man, things get super heated sometimes over there on the Latinx parenting Instagram feed, talk to me about showing up for that, because I'm in awe of you and your gumption. Can you just talk a little bit about that? Yeah,

Leslie Priscilla 27:41
yeah. It depends on the day for me, right? Depends on whether I feel like I have the energetic capacity to get into it. I have to really sit with posts sometimes, because I know the ones that are going to cause a stir before they go out, just based on what I've shared before. And I do feel like I am here with a purpose, you know, I'm here with mission, and I have to stay true and loyal to that mission. Am I loyal to my people? Yes, but sometimes you're not going to be able to see how that that gumption or that mission is loyalty to our people and to the liberation of our people, when you are so caught up in, you know, other ways of being and ideologies that you think are something to preserve, right? Like you're wanting to preserve patriarchy, but you're not seeing it that way. You're wanting to preserve adult supremacy, but you're not necessarily seeing it that way yet. And so some of these posts do create a lot of conversation. And I think all conversation is really good, you know, I think all discourse, although I do draw a line when it comes to centering black lives and brown lives and children, right? So we protect our most marginalized, we uplift them, we center them. And so when people are coming in with comments saying, you know, no, we should all be our children. Most likely you're going to get deleted and blocked from that platform,

Unknown Speaker 29:08
you know, like,

Leslie Priscilla 29:09
I'm not, I'm not there to protect the feelings of people that benefit from a lot of these systems that have kept so many of us oppressed for so long. So I'm there to protect the vision, and I'm there to protect children, and I'm there to, hopefully, again, uplift and center the most marginalized. But, you know, I'm constantly held accountable also, right? And and there is just so much to talk about. And so I see Instagram as a creative outlet, but I also see it as kind of like the billboard for Latinx parenting. And fortunately And surprisingly, it has grown to what it has grown Yeah, girl, yeah. I mean, for a long time I had a lot of hesitation. I was like, the Latinx community is not ready for this conversation. And we really are, you know, and and it really, I got this really beautiful message for. Somebody once that said I had been following your page, and I ended up stopping, like I stopped following you for a while because I just became too uncomfortable with some of the posts. And now I'm back and I'm ready to digest that information. And so that was just so affirming of what I've always held and believed when it comes to people coming to the work when they are ready, you know, and me not feeling pressured or, you know, forced to try to change anybody's mind, like people are in their processes, some people may die and never get to the point where they reevaluate their parenting. Yeah, I cannot, you know, hold, I cannot attach my work and my value to that, but I can to people who are ready, to people who are open, to people who are having those dialogs and and seeking the support and doing their own inner work. So, yeah, it's, it's definitely a busy place on the IG,

Casey O'Roarty 30:58
yes, it is a busy place, and you've got workshops and trainings that you're doing, and you have young kids. And, I mean, like Leslie, you are not just centering Latinx families like you, you know you've already said you've are centering so many different marginalized communities. And you have young kids, and I was thinking about you and writing this outline, and I was like, I wanted to ask you, where do you get your energy from? But then I realized that's not really the question that I want to ask. And I realized like, well, I'm recognizing my own privilege. Because I'm a middle class white woman, I don't have generational trauma. I have some stuff for sure, but it is looks different, and rarely do I feel threatened by the world that I move around in. So rather than where do you get your energy from, I want to ask how I and the people listening can support you and your work.

Leslie Priscilla 31:57
Wow. Thank you. Casey. You know, I think that we will only reach our collective liberation if we continue to uplift each other's, you know, each other's joy, each other's work. And so many white people, fortunately, have reached out and contributed to scholarship funds for, you know, some of the workshops that we do, I have like, a couple, just a couple of, like, $10 monthly donations, both of them from white women. You know, they're just really forthcoming and really wanting to be allies and CO conspirators. And so I think more of that is always welcome. I think, you know, just being very respectful, I had a conversation with a white woman earlier who had signed up for an offering that we had meant to advertise as Latinx and bipoc only. And she asked, she said, I signed up for this, but I just want to make sure if it's okay. And I said, you know, actually, this is going to just be for Latinx and bipoc Folks, but hopefully down the line, will have other offerings where white folks are are welcome to join and so that that respect is really valuable, you know, where you're not assuming that, like everything is for you, right, right?

Casey O'Roarty 33:14
We're kind of bad about that. No, sorry. Speaking for all white people, Leslie, I'm really sorry about that. I about

Leslie Priscilla 33:22
that. No, it's okay. I mean, I was really surprised in one of the courses that I taught. It is meant for Latinx and bipoc people only, but I had a non, non binary white person in the course, and they were so respectful. They were just so sad and wanting to figure out how best to serve, you know, figure out how best to undo harm that they felt their lineage had caused. And I found that so powerful, and I didn't, I didn't even really say that I had, you know, so many other people in that chorus kind of unmute themselves and say, I really appreciate that. That's really valuable. So just, you know, watching that, watching the respect, watching the the support, obviously, in whatever capacities, right? Because I know people are parents too. So Well,

Casey O'Roarty 34:17
do you have like a Venmo or a PayPal or some link I can drop in the show notes, let's say

Leslie Priscilla 34:21
that a piggy bank translate that I'll just mail around, sail around my piggy bank.

Casey O'Roarty 34:29
And maybe this is something that we can talk about after and like, I can get it in the show notes for when the show goes live. But I would just love to make it really easy for my listeners. And you know, to both, yes, support scholarship funds, but I know it costs. I mean, people don't really realize from the outside looking in, it costs money to run these parenting businesses, and we're not, like, racking it in, you guys, like, yeah, you know, we're hustling as parent educators and coaches and people that are trying to support families. Family. So I would just love to be able to either fundraise for you or do something that is in support of the work that you're doing, because I know

Leslie Priscilla 35:09
we have a Patreon, so I was great, okay, and I think it's just patreon.com/latinx, parenting, and there's like a $5 $10.30 $5 a month here. There's perks that come with it. I've been very kind of hands off of it the last month or so. But, yeah, you know, for people that just want to support, that just want to contribute $5 a month, just for the Instagram content, or just for, you know, whatever they've benefited from it, that is there for them, we will continue to have that be a scholarship fund, and and then just have that be something that supports us.

Casey O'Roarty 35:43
Okay, perfect. I will put that in the show notes everyone so that you can be in support of Leslie. Well, is there anything else that you want to share with my community? Is there anything that you wish that we all kind of knew better, one or, you know, one or two things? Leslie,

Leslie Priscilla 35:59
yes. I'm Oh, my goodness. I think that one of the things that I would just invite everybody to do is to just remember, you know, just to remember themselves as children as often as possible. Just to have a picture of yourself as a child up, you know, and look at it as much as you can. There's so much power in that remembering and you cannot parent your children without reparenting yourself, you know. And so that's kind of, I think, what I would want to to end with. But I think that that, you know, just as simple as that you can't parent your children without reparenting yourselves. And there is power in remembering that inner child.

Speaker 1 36:40
Yes. What does joyful courage mean to you? Joyful courage

Leslie Priscilla 36:44
to me means very much what Brene Brown would talk about when it comes to you know, just being brave, showing up as yourself and and finding joy in the experience of living, not just parenting, right? Like really living and receiving all of the beauty and experiencing all of the joy, I think we tend to forget to enjoy our kids, because we focus so much on parenting them and all the how tos, you know, like all the tools. And so I think that joyful courage is really allowing ourselves to celebrate the experience as a whole

Casey O'Roarty 37:22
beautiful. So we talked about Instagram. Where else can people find you and follow your work? Yeah,

Leslie Priscilla 37:27
we have a Facebook, we have a Twitter, we have a and all of them, you could just Google Latinx parenting Twitter, and it'll come up you. We have a for anybody who is Latinx or identifies as a Latinx parent. We have a Facebook group that you can join called Latinx parents practicing nonviolence, which you can access through the Facebook page the Latinx parenting Facebook page. Again, we have our Patreon, and pretty soon we will have a relaunch of our website. Probably by the time people listen to this, there will be a new website. So definitely check out the website, latinxparenting.org, and subscribe so that you can know when everything is happening.

Casey O'Roarty 38:07
Beautiful, yay. Thank you

Speaker 1 38:09
so much for spending time with me today. This was awesome. Yeah.

Leslie Priscilla 38:14
Thank you for having me.

Unknown Speaker 38:22
Oh, all right,

Casey O'Roarty 38:23
thank you again for listening. So appreciate you. If you feel inspired and you haven't already, do me a favor and head over to Apple podcasts and leave a review. We are working hard to stand out and make a massive impact on families around the globe, your review helps the joyful courage podcast to be seen, to be suggested to even more parents. If the review isn't your jam, just snap a screenshot and share it on Instagram or Facebook. Tag joyful courage and I will repost it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Also, be sure to follow me in all the places I love. Connecting with you on social media. I'm so grateful for you. Don't forget to check out the membership at joyful courage.com/ljc. Enrollment closes at the end of July. Okay, friends, take a deep breath. Ride it into your body, find the balcony seat for perspective and trust that everyone's going to be okay. I'll see you next week.

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