Eps 258: Teasing Apart Emotional Labor with Gemma Hartley

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My guest today is Gemma Hartley.

Gemma is a freelance journalist and the author of Fed Up: Emotional Labor, Women, and the Way Forward. She’s a mom of 3 kids, 5, 7 and 10.

Takeaways from the show:


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  • Gemma’s journey of being a writer

  • The article that started her career

  • Not wanting to ask your family to do something, just wanting them to know to do it

  • Teasing apart emotional labor

  • The pressure that lays on moms’ shoulders

  • What are shared standards

  • Acknowledge your standards exist for a reason

  • Holding resentment when your significant other feels like they should get praise for things you do on a daily basis

  • Being in conversation with our family in a way that supports everyone

  • Make it normal to talk about emotional labor

  • Vulnerability with your partner is scary but necessary

  • When going into emotional labor conversations, be clear on your intentions

  • The process of re-evaluating the life you share should include everyone being involved

  • Tools that help make everyone feel supported in emotional labor

  • Asking your kids to “help” you with household chores implies it is your job, which it isn’t

  • Recognize the subtle messaging you’re giving your kids

Where to find Gemma:

Book | Website | Facebook | Instagram | Women Aren’t Nags Article | Emotional Labor Article

What does joyful courage mean to you?

I think for me it means doing the scary and vulnerable work that’s going to lead to a life with more joy. 

See you next week!! 🙂

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